The Watchers. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Beyonder scaled above all. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. CynicalWeeb's Demonbane is Lucifer level. Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Win by death, KO, incapBeyonder (Pre Retcon) Molecule Man(Pre Retcon) The Living Tribunal; Oblivion; Amatsu-Mikaboshi (Chaos King) Cosmic Entities. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. #1 KalKent1297. Apr 8, 2018. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. vs. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Morals off. Ashley. #31. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2, 2019; Tags aka beyonder (pre-retcon) marvel comics the elder scrolls 1; 2; Next. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder. Versions-Strongest. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Introduction on The Beyonder: OHOTMU v2 #16: The Beyonder was an extra-dimensional entity which was the sum of everything in the universe known as the Beyond-realm, and became aware of our universe/multiverse due to Owen's. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. As in you're taking the story at face value. 2. Lucifer is definitely Pre-Retcon Beyonder tier while the Living Tribunal has become a jobber these past few years. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Business, Economics, and Finance. Beyonder 73%. #15 Azronger. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. 0. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on. Sorted by: 9. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. The Beyonder erases Death itself from the Multiverse, the Living Tribunal and his delegation politely beg the Beyonder to bring back Death to the Multiverse. 2 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itHe unretconned himself and became Omega Beyonder, being just as powerful—potentially even more stronger then his Pre-Retcon version form/version that he used to be. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. ago No. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be. Hajun via feats and implied power. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Yeah All Mighty Wins. You need to be logged in to post comments. Beyonder, Solar vs. the Source blinks Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. 548. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. Sorted by: 9. Beyonder. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. -. 2. M. God-Tier John armed with his Retcon Powers tries to solo your favorite verse. Interesting. Yujiro defeated a big elephant that even 3 military cars with 5 black guys couldn't stop. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. . 7 days to create the earth and heavens, vs instantaneous re-ordering of the cosmos. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. A. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. More than just high1-b, only this support for low 1-a. . Yeah,it’s been retconned . CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. Powers are basically the same thing. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. 3 + (STR*0. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon)?The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Beyonder 39%. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. You know that. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. If I argue against you it's because I find your logic flawed and won't count your vote unless you provide sufficient. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. TonyStark6999. Both are vastly above. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. I'm not taking sides. Btw- Is anyone going to give an actual reason why Beyonder wins, or is this battle gonna be judged on. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Definitely Beyonder. He beat the Living Tribunal. 3 years ago. High 3-A. True form DS power is unknown. Wiki Points. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Morals off. Holy moley. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. Follow 1963. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. He’s high tier Outerversal. " it would be pretty cool to get a tag team them lol but very interesting thank you for. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. 5 years ago. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Beyonder is strong but not that strong. Seriously, Nyarlathotep has done more than all the others listed and Demonbane pimpslapped her. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. New comments cannot be posted. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and does not work on beings of a. First firament might exist before all the 8 creations but beyonder comes from different multiverse which treats the Marvel creation as a droplet of water . Yes, pre-retcon MM was strong, but he needed so much support to get anything done. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). 16 days ago TheDevil98Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. Locked post. 3. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. In one of those layers of nonexistence, the one who would soon be known (in one incarnation) as SCP-343 comes into being. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel : 2, 2016. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. Reply. 664*10^25. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is considered comparable to Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and there is a vast supply of evidence proves that Molecule Man was not in fact comparable to the. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Spectre. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was nothing compared to. So wow great feat. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. The Beyonder tells "We're the real. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. Round 2: Franklin wins. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. That's clearly an difference in power/authority. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Thanos (Heart of the Universe) and the Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Win by any means possible. This is shown many times throughout Secret Wars 2. here is a fight that involves. The Beyonder is basically the "The One Above All" of his own multiverse. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within. The realm is known as the Engine Room, The Wild Spaces Beyond Reality, Heaven, The Mystery, The. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Tier Sıralamasını benden iyi biliyorsan Elder Scrolls taki Dragonborn, Kratos ve Dante gibi karakterlerin tüm Mcu. If he was a true omnipotent, then he wouldn't have been retconned. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Gen. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Powers and Stats. You know that. RealityWarper. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. 5 )^2 + (SPE*0. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. . PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. - Neither. They may have gotten stronger and better feats post ret con but I. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. 4 years ago. One of the most controversial fights in various sites across the web, finally arrives here. Yeah true. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. S. #8 Edited By Sungsam. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. 0. P. So BeyonderGod Beyonder > Cynical DemonbaneSearch titles only By: Search Advanced search…Beyonder by feats however after thinking about it i think EGD should win. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 12984. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. g. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. Random encounter. ^2 + DUR^1. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. Member. He beat the Living Tribunal. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. #8. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Skyfather. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. The Pre retcon Beyonder also known as (Original beyonder) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. S. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. Reply. CryptoCurrent MM isn't that strong in comparison to a high-tier reality warper. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. ago. Beyonder is marvel. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Pre Retcon Beyonder is non-canon Don't use that excuse unless you only want to use the inhuman/Mutant Beyonder. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Origin: Marvel. #1 quandaledingle. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. And form. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. -. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. You yourself admit that Pre-retcon Beyonder is infinite dimensional, as he is inferior to TOAA it supports TOAA being beyond that. Wiki Points. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. 1. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. They’re 50 tonners at most. Current Beyonder Tier upgrade CRT and coverup. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. Superhuman. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. I feel like Pre-Retcon Beyonder can do practically anything unless someone "more omnipotent" negates his power in some way. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. If we separate the pre-Retcon Beyonder from the current current lineup, it's probably more powerful than an infinite dimensional multiverse, and even the highest-level beings in it are far more powerful than those who didn't fully transcend the concept of dimension at the time. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Beyonder and Thanos . Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. Keenko. the Elder gods should be top of their tier. He was the TOAA of. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. . Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Well even pre retcon beyonder. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. I am not referring to the Beyonder pre-retcon much less to are discussing about the mysterious race that killed several cosmic entities and probably will be the main villains of the secret wars. ago. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. 1. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). . Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. Speed Equalized Round 1: Gauntlet Scenario Round 2: John. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Older than the. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Plot Manipulation user (Marvel Comics) Defenders: Beyond #1-5 Beyonder Post-Retcon: It was stated and proven that he was capable manipulating his own canonicity and is aware of his own pervious retcons. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Phoenix in the new defenders will fight against Ômega Beyonder who are most powerful than pré-retcon Beyonder) 10 True Form Oblivion {See all Creation and Cosmos like a infinitesimal to him, he is the outside of Cosmos, The Previour outside are below than far shore, but the. Location. Weaknesses. #5. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. 0. 2. Sep 6, 2015. Tier Limit-Outerversal. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. let's wait and see his actual feats. -5. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Nov 25, 2017. Hence, in. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Nice. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder.